F*2 = MC2

I had an interesting discussion with a TDAA judge recently about the fault incurred on a dog when the handler picks up the dog in the ring before crossing the finish line. In this era of multiple venues we’re often influenced by rules for performance from those other venues. This judge’s automatic response was to “E” the dog. What should the judge do when a handler picks up his dog in the ring?

And the answer is… it depends.

The real question you have to ask yourself, as the judge, is whether the time is a part of the qualifying criteria. For example, in a standard course we set SCT for the dog. That means the dog is required to cross the finish line under his own power in an established time—based on level and jump height—in order to earn a qualifying score. In this case the judge should E the dog for picking him up before crossing the finish line.

Sometimes the briefing for a game clearly indicates that “time is a tie-breaker only.” This is true of games like Snooker. In a game like this if the handler picks up the dog the judge should advise the scribe to mark the dog’s scribe-sheet as NT, or No Time.

Picking up the dog and carrying him out of the ring is really not a great strategy for the handler. It’s either an act of resignation or just complete thoughtlessness. In any game with a finite number of possible scores time as a tie-breaker can be vital in terms of placement. The “NT” plunges the dog to the bottom of the stack for all scores of the same value.

By the way… as you review the Petit Prix game Run ‘til You Drop, below, what would be the judge’s call if the handler picks up his dog before stopping time?


Run ‘Til You Drop

Also known as “Ralphie’s” Run ‘til You Drop this game is a variation of Just In Time with a grand bonus for correctly estimating the dog’s rate of travel.

Quarter Finals

Briefing

The objective of Run ‘til You Drop is to score as many points as possible the time allotted. The obstacles can be taken in any order and direction. The teeter has no point value and must be performed as the last obstacle; hence the name of the game. If your drops the plank of the teeter before time expires, then all of the dog’s points will be doubled. Otherwise, there’s no penalty for going overtime, except that the dog cannot earn the bonus.

Obstacles can be taken only twice for points. Back-to-back is permitted. If the dog drops a bar, that jump is out of play. Point values for obstacles performed without fault are:

  • Jumps – 1 point
  • Tunnels and tire – 2 points
  • Contacts and Weave Poles – 3 points

Your job is to determine how many obstacles your dog can successfully complete within the time allotted. If you complete the teeter before the whistle blows, your score will be doubled. Standard course times will be as follows:

  • 4″ dogs 30 seconds
  • 8″ dogs 28 seconds
  • 12″ dogs 26 seconds
  • 16″ dogs 25 seconds

Qualifying

Run ‘til You Drop is scored Points, Then Time. 18 points are required to qualify.

Results from the Petit Prix

4″ Division
Run ’til You Drop

Call Name

Breed

Owner

TIME

PTS

Emma Yorkshire Terrier Lindsay Decker

27.37

40

Riggins All American Renee Roth

28.83

40

Maggie Dachshund Chris Moore

24.63

34

Gypsy
All American
Wayne Carlson
29.50
34
Seeker
Miniature Dachshund
Pam Giles
28.95
30
Schilling
Miniature Dachshund
Joan Kimmel
25.43
28
Oliver
Yorkshire Terrier
Rick Decker
21.37
26
Zach
Miniature Dachshund
Amy LaDew
23.22
24
8″ Division
Run ’til You Drop
Call Name
Breed
Owner
TIME
PTS
Pete
Cardigan Welsh Corgi
Richard Petersen
27.93
60
Winn
Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Chris Mosley
26.14
52
Wynne
Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Robin Finley
26.13
46
Trisket
Swedish Vallhund
Deb Schneider
25.57
44
Chessie
Papillon
Charlotte Garsteck
26.64
42
Toby
Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Kim Wittig
27.79
42
Sammy
Dachshund
Greg Canak
23.33
40
Kate
Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Dana Bull
25.59
40
Riley
Papillon
Mary Hostetter
19.69
38
Haylee
Miniature Poodle
Vickie Tillman
25.64
38
Shadow
Miniature Poodle
Debbie Rodman
18.87
36
Mattie
Yorkshire Terrier
Pat Kay
20.37
36
Topaz
Yorkshire Terrier
Donald Wolff
20.89
36
Beau
Papillon
Lovanne Horsman
22.59
36
Luke
French Bulldog
Andrea Morden-Moore
25.66
36
Callie
All American
Sarah Adams
26.40
36
Jasmine
Shetland Sheepdog
Sue Krieske
27.30
36
Toby
Chihuahua
Mary BonDurant
17.96
34
Gigi
Miniature Poodle
Nancy Mersot
18.44
34
Mani
Papillon
Selina Fluker
21.13
34
Shadow
Rat Terrier
Ramona Stanfield
21.50
34
Oliver
Papillon
Lovanne Horsman
23.71
34
Mini
All American
Shawn Keller
23.84
34
Pearlina
Pomeranian
Wayne Carlson
24.43
34
Tiffany
Miniature Schnauzer
April Johnson-Mozzetti
26.47
34
Angel
Pug
Danielle Stuber
26.66
34
Casey
Chihuahua
Barbara Jeleski
21.21
32
Hazard
Shetland Sheepdog
Marsha Houston
21.54
32
Daisy
Pug
Dennis Vogel
23.92
32
Oliver
West Highland White Terrier
Jennifer Hammett
24.15
32
Barnaby
Toy Poodle
Andy Frederick
24.70
32
Petee
Papillon
Vickie Tillman
25.26
32
Me-Me!
Toy Poodle
Michele Cash
25.57
32
Toby
All American
John Finley
26.36
32
Drew
All American
Amy Sikorski
18.00
30
Teagan
Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Deb Schneider
18.87
30
Zippy
Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Jennifer Balinsky
18.91
30
Shaili
Pug
Kelly McFaul-Solem
22.62
30
Maggie Mae
All American
Kathleen Partin
18.95
28
Poco
Dachshund
Amy Sikorski
24.54
26
Russell
Dachshund
Jan Sund
24.99
26
Angel
West Highland White Terrier
Pat Kay
25.50
26
Rizzi
Toy Poodle
Melinda Doerfler
29.63
25
Joshua
Toy Poodle
Allison Day
30.46
25
Tinkerbelle
Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Debra Lynch
30.91
25
Sparkle
Papillon
Sue Krieske
28.12
24
Francine
Cardigan Welsh Corgi
Courtney Keys
28.70
23
Skinner
Chihuahua
Yoriko Kozuki
28.99
23
Katie
All American
Allison Day
32.06
23
12″ Division
Run ’til You Drop
Call Name
Breed
Owner
TIME
PTS
Ebby
Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Mark Wittig
24.65
62
Abbey
Shetland Sheepdog
Jonelle Wolf
22.90
48
Tazer
Cardigan Welsh Corgi
Richard Petersen
23.13
46
Tammie
Beagle
Marsha Smunt
24.81
46
Elmer
Beagle
Vickie Davis
19.22
42
Quigley
Beagle
Vickie Davis
19.91
42
Chloe
All American
Lisa Schwellinger
22.81
42
Harley
Miniature Schnauzer
Cindy Bankston
20.90
40
Trudy
Miniature Schnauzer
April Johnson-Mozzetti
22.24
40
Cammi
Cavalier King Charles
Kara Hinsman
24.58
40
KD
Shetland Sheepdog
Diane Cook
25.14
40
Heidi
Shetland Sheepdog
Lynn Moore
20.84
38
Baxter
Miniature Pinscher
Jacquelne Spanner
22.55
36
Bogart
Chinese Crested
Wayne Carlson
22.62
34
Kiki
Alaskan Klee Kai
Denise Johnson
22.71
34
Bailey
Cavalier King Charles
Kara Hinsman
25.46
34
Cujo
Miniature Poodle
Ted Schuld
19.68
30
Brumby
Miniature Poodle
Michele Cash
28.36
25
Kinzi
Norwegian Buhund
Jasmine Tata
21.45
24
Kylie
Papillon
Charlotte Garsteck
26.87
23
Sofie
Cocker Spaniel
Jenna Heilman
30.22
23
16″ Division
Run ’til You Drop
Call Name
Breed
Owner
TIME
PTS
Siren
All American
Kelly McFaul-Solem
24.32
46
Monty
Shetland Sheepdog
Sandy Langan
23.89
36
Desi
Shetland Sheepdog
Barbara Jeleski
24.76
36
Tyler
Shetland Sheepdog
Lynn Moore
17.37
30
Izzy
Miniature Schnauzer
Erin Vincent
17.87
28
Java
Australian Shepherd
Nicole Dresen
20.74
26

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4 Responses to “F*2 = MC2”

  1. Melissa Wallace Says:

    Very good discussion. So many competitors forget about that line in the games. Now I have a better idea of what to tell the scribe to do.

  2. Christine Stephansen Says:

    I can speak to this because I did it – twice – at the PP. Not a good strategy for sure, but I didn’t start either run thinking that I wouldn’t complete it! Some of it is inexperience – which is why I advocate qualifying to participate in a “national” event. And for me I think it was just not fully understanding the game/scoring. I also didn’t want to waste everyone’s time trying to get my pup to tip the teeter! Which I never expected would be a problem! That’s just the way it goes sometimes 🙂

    • budhouston Says:

      Christine,

      Nobody actually answered the question. In fact the time is not an element of qualifying in Run ’til You Drop. And so what the judge should do (if you’ve picked up your dog) is to advise the scribe to mark the sheet NT (no time). All that really does is put you at the bottom of any tie-breaking, if a tie-breaker is necessary.

      Do you know what the judge actually called?

      Anyhow, your picking up the dog is what I call resignation. And it’s really okay, and nothing to that you should worry overmuch about. Of course you don’t get to double your score; but you already knew that.

      Regards,
      Bud

  3. Christine Stephansen Says:

    Yes. My sheet was marked NT.
    I have high regard for any judge. They spend an enormous amount of time and energy providing a service that club/trials could not do without. And for not much compensation I’m sure. And they have to remember all the rules! Yikes! I know I couldn’t do it – so hats off to judges 🙂

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